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		<title>By: Your Name   Mike Stasse</title>
		<link>http://econews.org.au/peak-energy-and-limits-to-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Name   Mike Stasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Peter I should&#039;ve said we imported 362 ML of oil from PNG...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Peter I should've said we imported 362 ML of oil from PNG...</p>
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		<title>By: Bev</title>
		<link>http://econews.org.au/peak-energy-and-limits-to-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Bev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto the comments from Bucko on nuclear. What we&#039;ve done is to build a whole way of life around a finite, non-renewable energy source--fossil fuels. Uranium is also a finite non-renewable energy source, so even if it did not have massive dangerous waste disposal problems, the same scenario is going to apply. We&#039;ve simply got to scale down energy use to something which is more sustainable (and safer) to use. 

Someone famously said insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results every time. Trying to continue business-as-usual with uranium is pure insanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto the comments from Bucko on nuclear. What we've done is to build a whole way of life around a finite, non-renewable energy source--fossil fuels. Uranium is also a finite non-renewable energy source, so even if it did not have massive dangerous waste disposal problems, the same scenario is going to apply. We've simply got to scale down energy use to something which is more sustainable (and safer) to use. </p>
<p>Someone famously said insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results every time. Trying to continue business-as-usual with uranium is pure insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Your Name   Mike Stasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your Name   Mike Stasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We imported (in 2006) 185ML (Mega Litres) of oil from NZ, as opposed to 112ML from Saudi Arabia.  It&#039;s a pity the online article does not include all the URL I tagged on the end of the printed article, but the data (and further links) is available at http://anz.theoildrum.com/node/3657</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We imported (in 2006) 185ML (Mega Litres) of oil from NZ, as opposed to 112ML from Saudi Arabia.  It's a pity the online article does not include all the URL I tagged on the end of the printed article, but the data (and further links) is available at <a href="http://anz.theoildrum.com/node/3657" rel="nofollow">http://anz.theoildrum.com/node/3657</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Donelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Donelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much oil does PNG export?  I found the article very interesting especially since more oil comes from NZ&#039;d than Saudi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much oil does PNG export?  I found the article very interesting especially since more oil comes from NZ'd than Saudi.</p>
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		<title>By: Bucko</title>
		<link>http://econews.org.au/peak-energy-and-limits-to-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Bucko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disappointing comment Geoff.

The car is soon to be dead, except for the very wealthy and powerful. Get over it.

And the nuke option does not reduce GH gas production.  The proponents of nuclear power never mention the amount of finite fossil fuel (the stuff we are running out of) that is needed during the mining and processing of uranium, the construction and maintenance of nuclear facilities and the return of these facilities to benign conditions post their useful economic energy generation period. In fact, no nuclear electrical power generating facility has ever been successfully shut down having it’s waste being rendered as “safe” for the thousands of years that it remains toxic to humans and other species. “Successful shutdown”  is just too expensive, both fiscally and energetically. Our kids will have to deal with this massive problem that we keep putting off.

The nuke option does not reduce GH gas production.  And uranium, similar to the fossil fuels, is finite.

And I doubt whether the remote mining machinery that is necessary for the extraction of uranium will continue to be available for too much longer. Already, the massive tyres on the mining dump trucks are becoming very scarce/expensive. Rio Tinto in Oz will not buy new machines unless the suppler guarantees tyres. Currently the waiting time for delivery is about a year for some dump trucks.

Whether we like it or not, whether we plan for it or not, we will all have to face a massive drop in lifestyle as we run out of finite fossil fuel (coal, oil and gas). Perhaps this won’t be so bad.  Cuba faced their own “Peak Oil” at the beginning of the 1990s and they made it despite the additional problem of the trade embargo that was imposed by the USA many years beforehand. They lost about 50% of their oil imports most of which used to come from the USSR before it collapsed and about 80% of their food imports. Cubans lost an average of about 10kg in weight during this difficult period. Maybe this would be a positive for we Aussie fatties.

Despite these difficulties the Cubans still have a higher literacy rate and superior health care than their northern neighbour the USA. They export educators to the rest of the world and their food producers are the highest paid members of their communities. Public transport or low energy transport (bicycles) are a grudgingly accepted way of life.

We could learn from the Cubans if only our leaders would accept that we have a problem and attempt to address it.

Ha! Doubt it. There are no votes in promoting altruism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disappointing comment Geoff.</p>
<p>The car is soon to be dead, except for the very wealthy and powerful. Get over it.</p>
<p>And the nuke option does not reduce GH gas production.  The proponents of nuclear power never mention the amount of finite fossil fuel (the stuff we are running out of) that is needed during the mining and processing of uranium, the construction and maintenance of nuclear facilities and the return of these facilities to benign conditions post their useful economic energy generation period. In fact, no nuclear electrical power generating facility has ever been successfully shut down having it’s waste being rendered as “safe” for the thousands of years that it remains toxic to humans and other species. “Successful shutdown”  is just too expensive, both fiscally and energetically. Our kids will have to deal with this massive problem that we keep putting off.</p>
<p>The nuke option does not reduce GH gas production.  And uranium, similar to the fossil fuels, is finite.</p>
<p>And I doubt whether the remote mining machinery that is necessary for the extraction of uranium will continue to be available for too much longer. Already, the massive tyres on the mining dump trucks are becoming very scarce/expensive. Rio Tinto in Oz will not buy new machines unless the suppler guarantees tyres. Currently the waiting time for delivery is about a year for some dump trucks.</p>
<p>Whether we like it or not, whether we plan for it or not, we will all have to face a massive drop in lifestyle as we run out of finite fossil fuel (coal, oil and gas). Perhaps this won’t be so bad.  Cuba faced their own “Peak Oil” at the beginning of the 1990s and they made it despite the additional problem of the trade embargo that was imposed by the USA many years beforehand. They lost about 50% of their oil imports most of which used to come from the USSR before it collapsed and about 80% of their food imports. Cubans lost an average of about 10kg in weight during this difficult period. Maybe this would be a positive for we Aussie fatties.</p>
<p>Despite these difficulties the Cubans still have a higher literacy rate and superior health care than their northern neighbour the USA. They export educators to the rest of the world and their food producers are the highest paid members of their communities. Public transport or low energy transport (bicycles) are a grudgingly accepted way of life.</p>
<p>We could learn from the Cubans if only our leaders would accept that we have a problem and attempt to address it.</p>
<p>Ha! Doubt it. There are no votes in promoting altruism.</p>
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		<title>By: Debee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Mike... Look forward to reading more of your ideas in future editions... Lets hope and pray that there are some &#039;visionary leaders&#039; listening who are brave enough to impliment the necessary changes... Cheers Debee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Mike... Look forward to reading more of your ideas in future editions... Lets hope and pray that there are some 'visionary leaders' listening who are brave enough to impliment the necessary changes... Cheers Debee</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Cass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Cass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A brilliant article, one that points up the need for Australia to seriously consider nuclear power stations, and actually plan for perhaps 3 to start with.  After all, if we ever expect to do without oil (and what about reducing the amount of carbon gas we produce through the coal-fired power stations), we will eventually have to find some other means of fuelling our cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brilliant article, one that points up the need for Australia to seriously consider nuclear power stations, and actually plan for perhaps 3 to start with.  After all, if we ever expect to do without oil (and what about reducing the amount of carbon gas we produce through the coal-fired power stations), we will eventually have to find some other means of fuelling our cars.</p>
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